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                        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2022 04:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
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                        <title>RE: Young Justice: Phantoms</title>
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                        <pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Fifth season looking unlikely.]]></description>
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                        <title>RE: Young Justice: Phantoms</title>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2022 03:55:10 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Death And Rebirth&quot;]]></description>
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<p>Crap. I did not need that tag. I don't agree with Greg Weisman about how all endings should be "Life goes on," but it still would have been that without the tag. Room for more and a ton of unanswered questions. That exact scene could have been put at the beginning of the next season and nothing would change.</p>
<p>Except this episode would have felt satisfying. Weisman doesn't get that distinction in his writing. Life CAN go on. But we should also be allowed to enjoy it and the good moments should be allowed to breathe. I question the actual morality of believing differently. I think it's a personal failing of Weisman's. And as harsh as it sounds, I believe it.</p>
<p>Here is something you are not supposed to believe. But it's actually true. You are allowed to enjoy television. It is not a crime to watch something that you enjoy and makes you feel good. Something that does so is not automatically inferior in quality or needs to be (or even should be) considered a guilty pleasure. Producers of shows like this believe great television and great drama only occurs by punishing the viewer. If Weisman ever tells you that, he's a liar. I will say that. It is not remotely true and it is not remotely a huge ask to be able to watch a great show and enjoy it. We are not the bad guys. We have done nothing wrong. We don't deserve to be crapped on on a weekly basis. It's weird so many fans of so much crap like Young Justice actually believe we do. But actual PRODUCERS who believe differently simply do not have the talent to deliver satisfying stories. They need to create false drama because they don't have the writing skills to satisfy you. It's not because they are invested in realism. Good things occur in real life. It's because they untalented in the craft of writing and bad at their jobs. And I will get crap for this opinion, especially directed as a genre icon like Greg Weisman. But I firmly believe it and stand by it 100%. Weisman doesn't piss off us at the end of most seasons because he believes that's how the best storytelling works. It's because he's not smart or talented enough to do anything different. Simple as that.</p>
<p>Oh, bad Matt Zimmer! Taking personal shots at a creator's talents and skills! How dare you? But you know what? If there is a season five, Greg Weisman has yet another opportunity to prove me wrong. I could be.</p>
<p>But he won't. Because I'm not. But for now, if Weisman craps all over me, I'm gonna crap on him right back. Revenge Poops are totally a thing in the Matt Zimmerverse. You do not want to see my apartment.</p>
<p>I was going to discuss the ins and outs of the episode, what I liked, what I didn't, but that ending made me believe it's not worth the bother. I would have given the episode a solid four stars before the tag. Now? I'm pissed instead, and don't find Icicle Jr. at the wedding cute anymore. Sue me. Television does not need to be the ordeal Weisman makes it. It just doesn't. He simply chooses to make it so. Forget him and this show. It's dreck and you deserve better. *.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 03 Jun 2022 06:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Over And Out&quot;]]></description>
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<p>I'm struggling with this review. As such it's going to have to be short. But I can't really put my finger on why the episode made me feel the way I do, so it's pointless to dwell on it.</p>
<p>I didn't like that. I liked it less and less as it was going. I hit the credits and of course Weisman wrote it. The worst episodes this year were written by him and all the great ones weren't. This wasn't as bad as some of them. But it hit me wrong in everything it did, and I can't quite explain where my anger and displeasure comes from. I can't do a point by point deconstruction for why that sucked. Not this week. I just know that it did. So frankly, we're just gonna have to leave things there.. *.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2022 02:11:43 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Zenith And Abyss&quot;]]></description>
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<p>Oh, that was a VERY good episode.</p>
<p>Orion's plan to open the boom tube on a world with a red sun was damn smart. Too bad Phantom Girl was so easy to fool.</p>
<p>I love Superman playing things so close to the vest.</p>
<p>On one of the sites I frequented somebody noted that Miss Martian not being in on the initial rescue mission for Conner in the Phantom Zone was dumb because of her personal connection to him. I agree after seeing this. She should have been kept in the loop.</p>
<p>Young Zod's "compliment" to Tomar Re's son means he's a total bastard. He can't win after that. He just can't.</p>
<p>I loved this week. ****1/2.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2022 09:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Ego And Superego&quot;]]></description>
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<p>It was all right. The therapy sessions and stuff with Halo and Brion was a little torpid, but everything else was okay. I like Fury especially.</p>
<p>That being said, it feels a little late in the game for a Brion update, no? His downward spiral was the climax of Season 3, and we're JUST getting an update NOW? This feels like business that should have been addressed sooner than this.</p>
<p>I still like that this show's version of Terra is good.</p>
<p>The Ambassador has a very similar design to Owen from Gargoyles. I'm wondering if that's deliberate.</p>
<p>The Gremlins were most excellent. Nightwing's chagrin is my delight.</p>
<p>Superboy diggin' and diggin' in deeper. Fool's not making this easy for Team "Not a bunch of fascist poo-burglars". Poor Phantom Girl. She's a weirdly more compelling character in the few scenes we see her here than she was in her entire run on the old Legion Of Super Heroes cartoon from the mid-aughts.</p>
<p>Okay, but after last week being excellent I'm disappointed this wasn't. ***1/2.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2022 09:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Rescue And Search&quot;]]></description>
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<p>I expressed great frustration last week over how unfair I am to the show. And my biggest weakness is finding a bunch of nice things to say during "good" episodes. It's easier to point out a failing instead of saying "I liked that," about most everything.</p>
<p>This episode is a bit of a gift in that I WILL be able to do a point by point dissection of things I liked. Why? Because it was actually an outstanding episode! I very much owe it to the fans of this show to talk about everything that worked like gangbusters and landed beautifully. If only because I don't tend to love very many episodes of the show. While I love this one, I'm going to honor it as best I can, and point out as much awesomeness as possible. It's the least I can do.</p>
<p>I like that this show's version of Klarion is the very first time I've seen of that character that is an actual threat, both physical, and even mental. And I love that about this version of the character. My only suggestion to Weisman about him is to perhaps let the Lord of Chaos' arc be less planned out ahead of time going forward.</p>
<p>I thought Dick's detective work was outstanding. Rocket and Zatanna expressed disbelief over Dick getting from nowhere to almost the entire thing, but isn't that exactly how Sherlock Holmes works? If Dick really IS The World's Greatest Detective's greatest apprentice, Sherlock Holmes-style astounding leaps are to be expected.</p>
<p>Superboy is not doing so well in the Phantom Zone. I love Phantom Girl waking up to essentially tell him, "Dude, shut up. You aren't helping."</p>
<p>Zatanna wishing the Monarchs lose was great because it's very clear that's the only thing in their frustrating conversation Clark cared about.</p>
<p>It is a VERY Weisman storytelling technique to have a villain suggest a hero cooperate because who knows? Maybe they can gain the upper hand later. I tend to call b.s. on most Weisman storytelling techniques of this nature. This specific idea is sound however, and I like it because Zod is treating everybody like a grown-up. I think a lot of Weisman's villains are too meta and self-aware to be believable. I liked Zod's argument because not only was it true, but it was the correct way to get Bart to do what he wanted. I liked that.</p>
<p>I've been hating almost all the tags this year, but that one was super interesting.</p>
<p>If I hated the episode, I probably would have done a longer review. But I think this review got to the bullet points of why this episode was great, and why I suspect both this arc, and maybe even the end of the season have the potential to end strongly. We'll see. All I know is I unreservedly loved this week. *****.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2022 03:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice &quot;Odyssey Of Death!&quot;]]></description>
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<p>Tomar Re doesn't survive many continuities, does he? Better death here than he got in Justice League at any rate.</p>
<p>So I liked the episode. And I feel like since I tend to go into detail about episodes I dislike (and there are a lot of them) that it seems unfair for me to simply say I liked it and leave it at that. The problem with doing a deconstruction of an episode I liked (but didn't love) is all I can essentially say is "The Zod stuff was cool. The Crisis cover tribute was cool. Metron was cool. The Promethean was cool. The Dr. Fate and the cliffhanger stuff was cool." Do you see my problem and why it's easier to talk about things I either have problems with or love? My shortest and least memorable reviews tend to be for things I judge "good". And I feel like after all the shots I've taken at the show, that me not saying anything but "Right on," isn't actually good enough.</p>
<p>Do you know why I am sure this is true? Because I spent just a measly sentence describing all the things I liked. And I'm gonna take a paragraph talking about the thing I hate. The Foragers. I don't just find their romance physically repulsive (although the clicking noises they make as they coo at each other are pretty gross) but the way they speak to each other makes me cringe. Starfire always puts the word "The" in front of everything. That's increasingly been part of the joke and obnoxious on purpose. Those two characters referring to themselves and each other in the third person (and by the same damn name) is so freaking earnest instead that I scowl. And how big of a jerk am I that this small insignificant part of the episode is the one thing I felt like going into detail about? Anyone who believes my reviews of Young Justice are unfair, on some level you are right. It's the fact that I don't spend a lot of time marveling over and dissecting "good enough" which is why anyone who thinks I don't cut the show enough slack has my number. What can say? There is very little for me to talk about when the show is solid. ****.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2022 01:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Forbidden Secrets Of Civilizations Past!&quot;]]></description>
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<p>That was legitimately bad written. I was very disappointed to see Weisman's name on the script. I can't lie and say I was surprised. But I felt very sad seeing that because I always believed that Weisman was a GOOD writer and every script he's turning out for this show is awful. I don't understand what's going on.</p>
<p>Beast Boy's therapy session is simply intolerable. They couldn't make fun of this on Mystery Science Theater 3000 because it's too cringe and overwrought for the Satellite Of Love. Did I really at some point believe Wesiman was a decent writer? What made me think that?</p>
<p>The Zod chant and Forager poem was essentially me putting my hands over my eyes and begging this show to quit while it was behind.</p>
<p>I confess I found the stuff with Kid Zod and Metron relatively interesting. And is it fair for me to malign the entire episode for the therapy session when that's not even the main part?</p>
<p>I would love to say and believe differently, but I truly think Weisman (Unweisley) believes that is the episode's dramatic centerpiece. And if he thinks that, his last name is wrong. I cannot overstate how bad that was.</p>
<p>I will give Weisman a LOT of credit for something about the therapy stuff: Him doing it in this specific show and genre is SUCH a huge freaking risk, and if it had paid off, I'd be singing his praises to the Heavens. I acknowledge that Weisman took a bit of a fearless chance when writing this plotline. But this isn't the first similar therapy scene he's botched. I would appreciate him putting his rep on the line over this more if he had EVER delivered a good scene in a therapy session with Black Canary before this. Those have always been the worst part of the show, so when he takes the risk to emotionally go for broke using it, when the scene fails, the show seems worse than it ever has been. The thing about daring risks is that when they don't pay-off, the lumps due the writers and producers are much harsher than they would be had they simply bored me with a safer manner of storytelling. That's the problem with going for broke. You might actually break things if it goes wrong.</p>
<p>Could they maybe bring Razer back next week? This is nothing I want to deal with. What is happening here? Forget Beast Boy. I'm thinking it's Weisman who needs the intervention at this point. Holy smokes. *.</p>
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                        <pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2022 00:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
                        <description><![CDATA[Young Justice: Phantoms &quot;Encounter Upon The Razer&#039;s Edge!&quot;]]></description>
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<p>I definitely liked some of it. I liked that Razer's stuff was a spiritual and speculative sequel to Green Lantern: The Animated Series, although I cannot for the life of me figure out why the New Gods actually keep Metron around. He's nothing but a nuisance.</p>
<p>The exposition with both the Legion and Zod was ultimately a bit confusing. This show is too complicated for its own good. It's hurting the narrative at this point.</p>
<p>Rocket had nothing interesting to do in the episode, which made me unhappy.</p>
<p>The stuff with the Foragers was both obnoxious, and the implications were actually quite gross.</p>
<p>The end of Kid Flash setting up a Cosmic Treadmill in the Legion ship was great. Can't wait to see how that plays out.</p>
<p>I liked some of it, I disliked some of it. ***.</p>
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