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11/01/2024 6:02 am
Delays, delays, delays. But a pandemic and two labor strikes will do that.
I'm hoping and praying there are no disasters between now and July. Assuming there's no earthquakes or tsunamis, Marvel Studios will probably be at Comic Con and we'll get some questions answered.
The last time they were there, they were pretty adamant that the Fantastic Four will be the first movie in Phase 6. If they still feel that way, and the above release dates hold up, that means Thunderbolts and Blade are now pushed from Phase 5 into Phase 6. Take that for what it's worth.
I don't want to get into the Kang/Jonathan Majors mess.
I suspect Shang-Chi 2 and Spider-Man 4 will be released in Phase 6. But who the heck knows.
We'll see.
Matt Zimmer reacted
12/01/2024 12:06 am
MIKE!!!!! 😀
If I've been reading things right, Deadpool 3 is now the only MCU movie this year and I'm guessing Agatha and, maybe, one more show on Disney+ with three Sony Spider-projects: Madame Web, Kraven the Hunter and Venom 3.
My friend told me to stop quoting the Monkees. I thought she was joking. But then I saw her face.
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12/01/2024 4:16 am
MIKE!!!!! 😀
If I've been reading things right, Deadpool 3 is now the only MCU movie this year and I'm guessing Agatha and, maybe, one more show on Disney+ with three Sony Spider-projects: Madame Web, Kraven the Hunter and Venom 3.
Hello, sir. So here is the agenda for Marvel, DC and Sony superhero movies this year (And yes, it's pretty sparse. Part of it's because of the strikes, and part of it is DC totally rebooting and Marvel retooling).
Madame Web - Sony - February 14th (Valentines Day! How sweet!)
Deadpool 3 - Marvel Studios - July 26th
Kraven The Hunter - Sony - August 30th
Joker: Folie a Deux - DC Elseworlds - October 4th
Venom 3 - Sony - November 8th
For the small screen, we'll have Agatha: The Darkhold Diaries and X-Men '97. MAYBE Ironheart. On the DC side, Creature Commandos (An animated series and the first entry in DCU's Gods and Monsters slate) MAY be out late in the year.
So yes. 2024 is pretty sparse. But maybe a small break is what the superhero genre needs. Give folks a chance to breathe. Maybe absence will make the heart grow fonder.
And then stand by, because 2025 is going to be jam packed. For Marvel, there'll be Captain America 4, The Fantastic Four, Thunderbolts and Blade. Daredevil Born Again will be on the small screen. For DC, Superman Legacy and the Batman II.
Again ... ALL SUBJECT TO CHANGE.
But if everything holds up, 2025 will be a fun year.
Topic starter
12/01/2024 5:28 am
Because I spend way too much time thinking about this (Just ask my girlfriend), a few more observations.
The Netflix Marvel shows are now canon and part of the official timeline. That's cool. For the most part, they were pretty good. I think Marvel needs more street level, gritty shows. Not everything has to have Universe ending stakes.
But what about that pesky five year blip? Luke Cage Season 2, Iron Fist Season 2, Daredevil Season 3 and Punisher Season 2 all came out between Infinity War and Endgame. Wouldn't the fact that half the world's population getting snapped out of existence been worth at least a mention? Well ... yeah. But there's an easy way around that. Just put up a disclaimer at the beginning of each of those shows saying this series takes place before the events of Avengers: Infinity War.
And there was really nothing in the Netflix shows that would have had much of an impact on the MCU. The Defenders saga was much smaller in scale. The stories took place mostly in New York and they were more personal. It's not like they blew up Chicago or LA or something. So yes, the Netflix shows can blend in pretty seamlessly with the MCU. Wise choice by Marvel to do this.
What other shows can be considered canon? Both seasons of Agent Carter for sure. James D'Arcy's Jarvis is the first character that was originally from a Marvel TV series to appear in an MCU film. Boom. Agent Carter is part of the MCU.
Agents of SHIELD? MAYBE the first three seasons. But that's a big maybe. I get that Phil Coulson, Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Jasper Sitwell and the Lady Sif were all on the show. BUT ... none of the characters original to the show were EVER in the movies. And yes, those first three seasons referenced the events of the Winter Soldier and Age of Ultron pretty heavily. But the films never acknowledged the show. It never happened. And then after season 3 the show pretty much stopped referencing the current movies at all. And then you've got two different Darkholds. And the fact that the show just ignored the blip. And that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin. No SHIELD in the MCU, unless there are multiverse shenanigans.
Inhumans? God no.
Cloak and Dagger? Runaways? Hellstrom? Well, anything's possible. Cloak and Dagger was actually pretty good. I would certainly have no objections to Marvel making these shows canon, but it ain't up to me.
The two X-Men shows, Legion and The Gifted? Do NOT hold your breath.
That's pretty much it. I'm just going to say that I am REALLY looking forward to epic street level stories like Devil's Reign and Gangwar done by the Marvel Studios brain trust. Also, a Spidey-Daredevil team up is an absolute must. How could they not do it?
One thing makes me sad: if all three seasons of Daredevil are canon, that means we'll never see the Marvel Studios take on The Elektra Saga, one of the greatest Marvel Comics stories of all time. I really wish Marvel had the film and TV rights to all of their characters right from the get-go. But they didn't and we'll just have to live with it. But one thing I've learned: Never say never. If the rumors of Secert Wars resulting in a reboot are true, you never know what the future may bring.
Matt Zimmer reacted
12/01/2024 3:25 pm
Good take as always, SD. Good to see you.
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12/01/2024 6:11 pm
You are right about Agents Of SHIELD being able to be ignored for ignoring the Blip. No Blip, it's not canon.
However I'll accept Daredevil as canon (even though I hated it) but the rest of the Netflix stuff being considered so is problematic. Luke Cage in particular has referenced both Obama and Trump. I think that pushes it out of canon. And doing that makes everything else suspect too.
I believe I read somewhere that Jeph Loeb claims ALL the Marvel Television stuff (except AoS) takes place BEFORE the Blip. Whether the rest of it is canon is debatable, but that was the explanation.
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14/01/2024 10:13 pm
@matt-zimmer All well and fine, but at the end of the day it does not matter what you think or I think or Joe Blow down the street thinks. The fact is Marvel Studios considers the Netflix shows canon (Obama, Trump and a really bad take on Elektra aside) so that's that. We can voice our opinions but it won't change anything.
I'm sad about Elektra but overall I'm on board with the idea. The Netflix shows were pretty good and Marvel really needs some smaller scale street level type stories. Ideally what I'd like to see is all the Defender's, The Punisher, Spider-Man, Shang-Chi, the Yelena Belova Black Widow and those two kids from the Freeform series reprise their roles as Cloak and Dagger for a Marvel Knights show. The premise being The Kingpin becomes Mayor of New York and immediately begins to crackdown on "Vigilantes". Of course our boy Wilson would form his own villainous version of the Avengers made up of, say, the Vulture, the Abomination, Helmut Zemo, Steel Serpent, Jigsaw, Bullseye and others I'm forgetting right now. The Kingpin has the potential to be to the Marvel Knights what Thanos was to the Avengers.
But, like I said, I don't always get what I want. We'll just have to wait and see what the future brings.
Matt Zimmer reacted
17/01/2024 10:55 am
Good philosophy.
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19/01/2024 7:42 pm
Here's the canonicity of the Netflix stuff:
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Slipped under the radar a bit, but Alex Perez dropped quite a few details about Echo and Daredevil on the latest episode of the <a href=" removed link " target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Cosmic Circus Podcast.
Echo was a "pilot project" whose response has led to Marvel pursuing more mature projects
An episode was cut that focused on Bonnie which had a conflicting tone that focused less on Echo, which would have felt like filler
Echo's story was supposed to tie more into Daredevil: Born Again, connecting directly into what it was originally going to be, but not what it will be now. Had they not cut it, it would have made episodes of DD:BA feel more like a prequel until the midseason where it would have caught up.
More of the criminal underworld will be seen going forward. As Mayor, Fisk will have to give up on some of his assets as he becomes under more public and federal scrutiny. These assets will be taken over by various corners of the criminal underworld, who have for the most part not yet been introduced.
One of these will be a villain in Spider-Man 4, who has never before been adapted into live action.
The Defenders series are "canon but isolated" meaning they are canon, but most of those stories won't be addressed as Marvel will recast certain characters and adapt certain stories. The whole thing is still a work in progress, as Marvel is still figuring out what will be referenced in Born Again and what will be discarded as if it never happened.
As I understood it, the ends of series like Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist may just not be picked up on even if/when the characters return, but will remain canon even if the characters are recast.
Daredevil is the series Marvel aims to keep the most of, while parts of the other series may be "omitted" so they can be readapted (although that last part might be me misinterpreting things)
Since Marvel hasn't yet figured everything out regarding the Defenders series being canon, Vincent D'Onofrio's recent comments aren't exactly correct and might hurt Marvel in the long run as people expect something different than what ends up happening.
Foggy and Karen were always going to be in Born Again, but not to the extent that they will be now.
He hints that the plan to kill them off is no longer the case and they will be more involved.
Born Again is less of a Season 4, but more Marvel doing their own thing based on what Marvel Television already established and going from there.
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12/02/2024 2:57 am
My friend told me to stop quoting the Monkees. I thought she was joking. But then I saw her face.
Matt Zimmer reacted
19/03/2024 2:51 am
SPIDER-MONDAYS!
Apparently Sony is trying to make back some of their Madam Web loss in April, May and June as they're going to do a weekly Monday night showing of each of the live-action Spider-Man films.
4/15 - Spider-Man
4/22 - Spider-Man 2
4/29 - Spider-Man 3
5/6 - The Amazing Spider-Man
5/13 - The Amazing Spider-Man 2
5/20 - Spider-Man: Homecoming
5/27 - Spider-Man: Far From Home
6/3 - Spider-Man: No Way Home
Kind of surprised that they aren't including the Spider-Verse movies being the fan-favorites that they are and would've expected the Venom films, as well, to try and hype up The Last Dance a little...
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Topic starter
10/08/2024 5:55 pm
Keeping up with all the changes can be daunting, to say the least. But what the heck. A boy needs a hobby.
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Phase One
1. Iron Man - May 2nd, 2008
2. The Incredible Hulk - June 13th, 2008
3. Iron Man 2 - May 7th, 2010
4. Thor - May 6th, 2011
5. Captain America: The First Avenger - July 22nd, 2011
6. Marvel's The Avengers - May 4th, 2012
Phase Two
7. Iron Man 3 - May 3rd, 2013
8. Thor: The Dark World - November 8th, 2013
9. Captain America: The Winter Soldier - April 4th, 2014
10. Guardians of the Galaxy - August 1st, 2014
11. Daredevil Season One - April 10, 2015
12. Avengers: Age of Ultron - May 1st, 2015
13. Jessica Jones Season One - November 20, 2015
14. Agent Carter Season One - January 6th, 2016
15. Ant-Man - July 17th, 2015
Phase Three
16. Agent Carter Season Two - January 19th, 2016
17. Daredevil Season Two - March 18, 2016
18. Captain America: Civil War - May 6th, 2016
19. Luke Cage Season One - September 30, 2016
20. Doctor Strange - November 4th, 2016
21. Iron Fist Season One - March 17, 2017
22. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 2 - May 5th, 2017
23. Spider-Man: Homecoming - July 7th, 2017
24. The Defenders - August 18, 2017
25. Thor: Ragnarok - November 3rd, 2017
26. The Punisher Season One - November 17, 2017
27. Black Panther - February 16th, 2018
28. Jessica Jones Season Two - March 8, 2018
29. Avengers: Infinity War - April 27th, 2018
30. Luke Cage Season Two - June 22, 2018
31. Ant-Man and the Wasp - July 6th, 2018
32. Iron Fist Season Two - September 7, 2018
33. Daredevil Season Three - October 19, 2018
34. The Punisher Season Two - January 18, 2019
35. Captain Marvel - March 8th, 2019
36. Avengers: Endgame - April 26th, 2019
37. Jessica Jones Season Three - June 14, 2019
38. Spider-Man: Far From Home - July 2nd, 2019
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Phase Four
39. WandaVision - January 15th, 2021
40. The Falcon and the Winter Soldier - March 19th, 2021
41. Loki Season One - June 9th, 2021
42. Black Widow - July 9th, 2021
43. Shang Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings - September 3rd, 2021
44. Eternals - November 5th, 2021
45. Hawkeye - November 24th, 2021
46. Spider-Man: No Way Home - December 17th, 2021
47. Moon Knight - March 30th, 2022
48. Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - May 6th, 2022
49. Ms. Marvel - June 8th, 2022
50. Thor: Love and Thunder - July 8th, 2022
51. She-Hulk: Attorney at Law - August 17th, 2022
52. Werewolf By Night - October 7th, 2022
53. Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - November 11th, 2022
54. Guardians of the Galaxy Holiday Special - November 25th 2022
Phase Five
55. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - Feburary 17th, 2023
56. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 - May 5th, 2023
57. Secret Invasion - June 21st, 2023
58. Loki Season Two - October 5th, 2023
59. The Marvels - November 10th, 2023
60. Echo - January 10th, 2024
61. Deadpool & Wolverine - July 26th, 2024
62. Agatha All Along - September 18th, 2024
63. Captain America: Brave New World - February 14th, 2025
64. Daredevil: Born Again - March 4th, 2025
65. Thunderbolts* - May 2nd, 2025
Phase Six
66. Fantastic Four: Baby Steps - July 25th, 2025
67. Ironheart - September 3rd, 2025
68. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - February 13th, 2026
69. Avengers: Doomsday - May 1st, 2026
70. Spider-Man 4 - July 26th, 2026
71. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 6th, 2026
72. Avengers: Secret Wars - May 7th, 2027
Phase Seven (?)
73. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - July 23rd, 2027
74. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 5th, 2027
75. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - February 18th, 2028
76. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - May 5th, 2028
77. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 10th, 2028
Announced or Heavily Rumored, But No Release Date Yet: Blade, Shang-Chi 2, Armor Wars, Thor 5, Black Panther 3, Doctor Strange 3, The X-Men, Wonder Man, Vision Quest, Untitled Scarlett Johansson Production, Nova, Untitled Okoye Series, Midnight Sons. Rule of thumb: Don't count on ANYTHING until it's announced by the studio and given an official release date. And even if it's given a date, bear in mind that there's a better than even chance it may change.
Marvel Studios Animated Series
1. What if ... ? - August 11th, 2021
2. I Am Groot - August 10th, 2022
3. What if ... ? Season 2 - December 22nd, 2023
4. X-Men '97 - March 20th 2024
5. Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man - November 2nd, 2024
6. Marvel Zombies - TBD 2024 (2025?)
Announced, no release window: What if ... ? Season 3, Spider-Man: Sophomore Year, X-Men '97 Season 2, Eyes of Wakanda
Sony's Spider-Man Universe of Characters (Without Spider-Man)
Venom - October 5th, 2018
Venom: Let There Be Carnage - October 1st, 2021
Morbius - April 1st, 2022
Madame Web - February 14th, 2024
Venom: The Last Dance - October 25th, 2024
Kraven The Hunter - December 13th, 2024
Announced, No Release Date: El Muerto, Sinister Six, Nightwatch, Jackpot, Untitled Roberto Orci project, Untitled Olivia Wilde project, Untitled Hypno-Hustler film. Same admonishment as before: Don't count on anything until it's OFFICIALLY announced, and even then take it with a boulder of salt.
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19/09/2024 10:42 pm
For Marvel's 85th anniversary they posted a clip reel of "memorable moments" (many questionable about being "memorable" and many "memorable moments" that aren't here) from the MCU. It covers everything up through Loki, season 2 but excludes What If...?, season 2, I am Groot, season 2 and everything done by ABC Studios for ABC, ABC Family and Netflix and Spider-Man only seems to be included from Disney owned films. Grab a beverage and a snack, this thing is just over 52 minutes long...
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EDIT: My mistake, it's actually "85 Iconic Moments" not "memorable moments"
My friend told me to stop quoting the Monkees. I thought she was joking. But then I saw her face.
19/09/2024 10:50 pm
Just for fun, if you haven't seen one of these before... Thanos's snap in split-screen real-(MCU)time...
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EDIT: I hadn't seen this before, the Hulk's snap...
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My friend told me to stop quoting the Monkees. I thought she was joking. But then I saw her face.
Topic starter
24/10/2024 2:48 am
Phase Five
55. Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania - Feburary 17th, 2023
56. Guardians of the Galaxy Volume 3 - May 5th, 2023
57. Secret Invasion - June 21st, 2023
58. Loki Season Two - October 5th, 2023
59. The Marvels - November 10th, 2023
60. Echo - January 10th, 2024
61. Deadpool & Wolverine - July 26th, 2024
62. Agatha All Along - September 18th, 2024
63. Captain America: Brave New World - February 14th, 2025
64. Daredevil: Born Again - March 4th, 2025
65. Thunderbolts* - May 2nd, 2025
Phase Six
66. Fantastic Four: Baby Steps - July 25th, 2025
67. Ironheart - September 3rd, 2025
68. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - February 13th, 2026
69. Avengers: Doomsday - May 1st, 2026
70. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 6th, 2026
71. Avengers: Secret Wars - May 7th, 2027
Phase Seven (?)
72. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - July 23rd, 2027
73. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 5th, 2027
74. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - February 18th, 2028
75. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - May 5th, 2028
76. Untitled Marvel Studios Film - November 10th, 2028
Announced or Heavily Rumored, But No Release Date Yet: Blade, Shang-Chi 2, Spider-Man 4, Armor Wars, Thor 5, Black Panther 3, Doctor Strange 3, The X-Men, Wonder Man, Vision Quest, Untitled Scarlett Johansson Production, Nova, Untitled Okoye Series, Scarlet Witch, Midnight Sons. Rule of thumb: Don't count on ANYTHING until it's announced by the studio and given an official release date. And even if it's given a date, bear in mind that there's a better than even chance it may change.
Ch-ch-changes.
Daredevil Born Again has a release date: March 4th, 2025. That came from Charlie Cox at NYCC, so I guess that makes it pretty darned official. Spider-Man 4 is officially a go and will start shooting next summer. That comes from Tom Holland on the late night talk show circuit and he would know so that is likewise pretty darned official. Between Avengers Doomsday, Avengers Secret Wars and the new Christopher Nolan movie that Holland is gonna star in, I don't know where the poor kid is going to find the time. He's going to be busy for sure. Marvel has taken Blade off the schedule which does not come as a surprise. They're struggling to find a way to make the Day Walker fit in with the MCU but word on the street is the project is not dead, just delayed. There is hope, Blade fans.
And three untitled movies have been dated for 2028. February 18th, May 5th and November 10th. You gotta figure the X-Men will be in there somewhere. What else? Shang-Chi 2? Young Avengers? West Coast Avengers? Midnight Sons? World War Hulk? The Legendary Star-Lord? Doctor Strange 3? Thor 4? Deadpool 4? Nova? Fantastic Four 2?
I don't know, but it'll be fun finding out.
